# Thread: Cipher | The true worth and rate of return of any investment

1. ## Cipher | The true worth and rate of return of any investment

I been analyzing investments over the past 8 years

They took it all away from me for their own gains

But they didn't realize what I have not made public yet

No matter how much money you make from an investment even one where you spent a single dollar and received a billion dollars in a years time, if you thought your rate of return on this investment is 99,999,999,900% then you are dead wrong

The real rate of return - IRR on any investment is always Cipher

So is the net value of your investment no matter how much money your made as you thought in the previous example that you made 999,999,999 dollars by spending one dollar

What you actually made on this or any other investment is and will always be Cipher

So now that you know that, wait for a time when you read the World press with headlines on cover story that says all of the Stock Market, Derivatives market, Commodity market, or any other asset is worth nothing but a big CIPHER

So there you have it folks for messing with someone like me who knows the true worth of an investment

If you still like to take a parting shot at me

Then go ahead and make my day

2. ## Re: Cipher | The true worth and rate of return of any investment

Are you under the impression that you actually said something here? Perhaps you were thinking that "Cipher" mean "0". There are several European languages in which "Cipher" (or something similar) means zero but not English.

You say "I have been analyzing investments over the past eight years" and then "They took it all away from me". Who took what away from you? "Analyzing" investments doesn't actually require that you make any investments. And if you had been analyzing them, you should has seen what are good or bad investments. I, myself, have been making about 15% a year (ever since the "great recession" which was more than 8 years ago) primarily by paying qualified agents to do the research for me and spreading the investments out over a variety of areas. I did, of course, check to be certain they were qualified!

3. ## Re: Cipher | The true worth and rate of return of any investment

Originally Posted by HallsofIvy
Are you under the impression that you actually said something here? Perhaps you were thinking that "Cipher" mean "0". There are several European languages in which "Cipher" (or something similar) means zero but not English.
May be I didn't phrase my concern correctly, when I said I lost it all I meant all of my gains from my online ventures have been stolen

See this

See the entry on ExcelForum in the results

About Cipher, yes I meant "zero" but cipher also means "code". The cash flows of alternative equivalent investment follow a coded pattern where the net sum is on the order of 2^n

Let me take the investment that I mentioned in the example

Code:
-1 1,000,000,000
In the above investment we are investing a single dollar in return for a billion dollars one period from present.

There are an infinite number of investments that all have the same IRR as this investment which is 99,999,999,900%

But such as IRR is only an illusion, or a mirage that only exists in a figment of a lunatic's imagination

The following is an investment that is equivalent to our original investment. It too has an false IRR of 99,999,999,900%

Code:
-1 1,000,000,001 -2,000,000,000 1,000,000,000
But the real IRR which can be seen from naked eye is 0% so is the net worth

Just sum up the cash flows and you will see that net present value and net future value of this investment is 0 at the IRR of 0%

The net present value and net future value of this investment at an IRR of 99,999,999,900% is also 0

But that is a false IRR

4. ## Re: Cipher | The true worth and rate of return of any investment

Originally Posted by GhostAccount

But the real IRR which can be seen from naked eye is 0% so is the net worth

Just sum up the cash flows and you will see that net present value and net future value of this investment is 0 at the IRR of 0%

The net present value and net future value of this investment at an IRR of 99,999,999,900% is also 0

But that is a false IRR
Yup sounds like "false prophets" called Larry, Curly and Moe or was it "profits"

See the tutorial here about Abraham's Transform

Abraham's Transform | Alternative Equivalent Investments - Video Dailymotion

5. ## Re: Cipher | The true worth and rate of return of any investment

Originally Posted by GhostAccount
Let me take the investment that I mentioned in the example

Code:
-1 1,000,000,000
The following is an investment that is equivalent to our original investment. It too has an false IRR of 99,999,999,900%

Code:
-1 1,000,000,001 -2,000,000,000 1,000,000,000
I was checking the numbers in my cubic equation solver and noted that the IRR for 2nd investment was off by 100%

It seems I made typing errors when entering the cash flows

Here are the correct cash flows that yield the exact IRR

Code:
-1 1,000,000,002 -2,000,000,001 1,000,000,000
The same holds true for any other Abraham Transforms of this investment

Here are a few including the original investment and then the 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree transforms whose results may be confirmed using Quadratic, Cubic and Quartic formulas

Code:
-1 1,000,000,000

-1 1,000,000,001 -1,000,000,000

-1 1,000,000,002 -2,000,000,001 1,000,000,000

-1 1,000,000,003 -3,000,000,003 3,000,000,001 -1,000,000,000