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    Hi guys....I'm having the toughest time with one problem!

    Hi, I'm Brad and new here.

    I'm having the hardest time with this one problem in intermediate algebra. It wants me to solve for X but every time I try to solve the problem I get about half way through and get stuck. I think this one problem is literally taking years off my life. Any help would be GREAT!!!!



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    I posted an image with the problem but if that doesn't work, the link takes you to screencast where I wrote out the problem.

    Thanks Guys!!
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    \frac{x+5}{x^2+3x+2}-\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}=\frac{x-5}{x^2+3x+2}

    \frac{x+5}{x^2+3x+2}-\frac{x-5}{x^2+3x+2}=\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}

    \frac{x+5-x+5}{x^2+3x+2}=\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}

    \frac{10}{x^2+3x+2}=\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}

    Now we will cross multiply to get

    10(x^2+4x+4)=5(x^2+3x+2) and divide by 5 to get

    2(x^2+4x+4)=x^2+3x+2

    2x^2+8x+8=x^2+3x+2 and bring it all over to the left, factor what's left and you should be able to get the answer

    Be sure to check both answers by plugging back in though as one of the solutions will lead to a zero in the denominator, which means it must be thrown out
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    Quote Originally Posted by byco View Post
    Hi, I'm Brad and new here.

    I'm having the hardest time with this one problem in intermediate algebra. It wants me to solve for X but every time I try to solve the problem I get about half way through and get stuck. I think this one problem is literally taking years off my life. Any help would be GREAT!!!!



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    I posted an image with the problem but if that doesn't work, the link takes you to screencast where I wrote out the problem.

    Thanks Guys!!
    Brad
    Subtract both sides: \frac{x+5}{x^2+3x+2}-\frac{x-5}{x^2+3x+2}-\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}=0

    Note the common denominator allows me to subtract the first two terms.

    \frac{10}{x^2+3x+2}-\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}=0

    Now we've gotta find a common denominator.

    \frac{10}{(x+1)(x+2)}-\frac{5}{(x+2)^2}=0

    Then
    \frac{10(x+2)}{(x+1)(x+2)^2}-\frac{5(x+1)}{(x+1)(x+2)^2}=0

    \frac{10(x+2)-5(x+1)}{(x+1)(x+2)^2}=0

    Multiply both sides by the denominator getting

    10(x+2)-5(x+1)=0

    Surely you can finish up!
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    The thing with "big ugly" problems, is that there is usually something that can be immediately done to a problem to make it not so big and ugly. I see one thing right off the bat.

    There is a factor of (X+2) in all of those equations. Once you do that, it should become clear what you must do next.
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    Hi Brad!

    Quote Originally Posted by byco View Post
    Hi, I'm Brad and new here.

    I'm having the hardest time with this one problem in intermediate algebra. It wants me to solve for X but every time I try to solve the problem I get about half way through and get stuck. I think this one problem is literally taking years off my life. Any help would be GREAT!!!!



    2009-07-27_2152

    I posted an image with the problem but if that doesn't work, the link takes you to screencast where I wrote out the problem.

    Thanks Guys!!
    Brad
    \frac{x+5}{x^2+3x+2}-\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}  = \frac{x-5}{x^2+3x+2}

    Minus \frac{x+5}{x^2+3x+2} leads to

    -\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}  = \frac{x-5}{x^2+3x+2} -\frac{x+5}{x^2+3x+2}

    -\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}  = \frac{(x-5)-(x+5)}{x^2+3x+2}

    -\frac{5}{x^2+4x+4}  = \frac{-10}{x^2+3x+2}

    Multiply by x^2+4x+4

    -5 = \frac{-10(x^2+4x+4)}{x^2+3x+2}

    Multiply by x^2+3x+2

    -5(x^2+3x+2) = -10(x^2+4x+4)

    Do you know how to solve this?

    There are two solutions, x = -3 ; x = -2

    Yours
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    Edit: Beaten to it by ...
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    that can be simplified to...

    (x+5)/((x+2)(x+1)-5/((x+2)^2)=(x-5)/((x+2)(x+1))

    multiply through by x+2 since x can't be -2...

    (x+5)/(x+1)-5/(x+2)=(x-5)/(x+1)

    rearrange to get...

    (x+5)/(x+1)-(x-5)/(x+1)=5/(x+2)

    then

    ((x+5)-(x-5))/(x+1)=5/(x+2)


    10/(x+1)=5/(x+2)

    then solve to get x=-3 and check that it satisfies the equation

    is -2 a solution Rapha? it makes the denominator 0 but not the numerator...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapha View Post
    There are two solutions, x = -3 ; x = -2
    Edit: Beaten to it by ...
    But, surely there is only one! It's all in the domain my dear friend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krahl View Post

    is -2 a solution Rapha? it makes the denominator 0 but not the numerator...
    -2 is a solution of the equation


    but not a solution of the original post, because ... (you noticed the thing about the denominator )
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    can anyone spot where rapha went wrong lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krahl View Post
    can anyone spot where rapha went wrong lol
    Rapha did not "go wrong". Note that he has obtained the solution, but x=-2 is not in the Domain of the equation, therefore it is what we call an "extraneous" solution.
    Last edited by VonNemo19; July 27th 2009 at 08:49 PM.
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    Man, you guys made this look so easy.

    Seriously though, thank you all. You guys really helped me understand it.

    Thanks!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by byco View Post
    Man, you guys made this look so easy.

    Seriously though, thank you all. You guys really helped me understand it.

    Thanks!!
    That's what we're here for buddy. And thank you for being grateful. Some don't even bother...
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    I agree, x = -3 is the only solution.
    Last edited by pacman; July 28th 2009 at 08:38 AM. Reason: not visible
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    see the figure
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