# terminology question

• Jul 10th 2009, 05:45 AM
terminology question
In mathematics, when something is a factor 4 better/worse, does it mean that compared with something else, it is 4 times larger in value.

Will
• Jul 10th 2009, 07:56 AM
Amer
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In mathematics, when something is a factor 4 better/worse, does it mean that compared with something else, it is 4 times larger in value.

Will

you mean if a=4b this equivalent to a=b+b+b+b then a is 4times larger than b if b equal 1 then a equal 4
since you need four amount of b to put the equality I wish it is clear

if

$\displaystyle a=\frac{b}{4}$ here b is 4 times larger than a since the quarter of b equal a it is clear I think
• Jul 10th 2009, 12:28 PM
AlephZero
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In mathematics, when something is a factor 4 better/worse, does it mean that compared with something else, it is 4 times larger in value.

Will

If I understand your question correctly, the answer is basically yes, you are correct. Suppose for instance that Laundry Detergent A is 4 times more effective at removing stains that Laundry Detergent B. That means that if Detergent B removes 20% of all stains, then Detergent A removes 80% of stains.

Hope that's clear.
• Jul 10th 2009, 04:05 PM
Unenlightened
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Originally Posted by AlephZero
If I understand your question correctly, the answer is basically yes, you are correct. Suppose for instance that Laundry Detergent A is 4 times more effective at removing stains that Laundry Detergent B. That means that if Detergent B removes 20% of all stains, then Detergent A removes 80% of stains.

Hope that's clear.

Is it though?
Purely on a semantical point - and I'm not disagreeing with your answer, but if, say, a box of cornflakes contains 1kg of cornflakes, then a box that contains 4 times as many would contain 4kg, right? But would a box that contains 4 times more contain 5kg?
• Jul 11th 2009, 04:04 PM
HallsofIvy
That is what I would say. "Four times as much" is 4x. "Four times more" is x+ 4x= 5x.

Of course, I have no idea which of those "factor 4 better/worse" is supposed to mean!

(Oh, and "4 more or less" is $\displaystyle x\pm 4$.)
• Jul 12th 2009, 09:12 PM
AlephZero
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Originally Posted by Unenlightened
Is it though?
Purely on a semantical point - and I'm not disagreeing with your answer, but if, say, a box of cornflakes contains 1kg of cornflakes, then a box that contains 4 times as many would contain 4kg, right? But would a box that contains 4 times more contain 5kg?

You're quite right; I should have chosen my words better.

No wonder I am constantly fleeced at the grocery store!