Need some help with this.... Very confused...

I have a card with a value of 5 and 5 cards with a value of 10. I wish to trade my cardswith a guy for a complete set (1 to 10). However, he has some rules.
- you give him 2 cards and ask for 3 which add up to the same value as your 2 (eg. you give him 8 and 6 and ask for 7, a 4 and a 3 or two 5's and a 4.)

- you cannot ask for a card with a higher value than the best one you gave him (eg. he won't trade your two 9's for a 10,6 and 2)

- He never does a two for one swap (eg. if you give him a 9, he won't give you a 7 and a 2 - this is not gonna happen)

- You can't sacm him either, by trying to give him a 9 and a 6 for a 7, a 6 and a 2.

Somehow, I managed to get acomplete set thorugh trading alone.

a) Explain why I could not have done this if i had only four 10's, a 9 and a 5 to start with.

b) How many times did I trade with the guy (with five 10's and a 5) to get my complete set?

c) Show how I might have completetd my set (write down the different steps)

d) Another person who wishes to trade has two 10's, three 9's and an 8. Show how he could have completed his set.(write down the different steps)

Hope someone can help.....

2. Originally Posted by moshiman
Need some help with this.... Very confused...

I have a card with a value of 5 and 5 cards with a value of 10. I wish to trade my cardswith a guy for a complete set (1 to 10). However, he has some rules.
- you give him 2 cards and ask for 3 which add up to the same value as your 2 (eg. you give him 8 and 6 and ask for 7, a 4 and a 3 or two 5's and a 4.)

- you cannot ask for a card with a higher value than the best one you gave him (eg. he won't trade your two 9's for a 10,6 and 2)

- He never does a two for one swap (eg. if you give him a 9, he won't give you a 7 and a 2 - this is not gonna happen)

- You can't sacm him either, by trying to give him a 9 and a 6 for a 7, a 6 and a 2.

Somehow, I managed to get acomplete set thorugh trading alone.

a) Explain why I could not have done this if i had only four 10's, a 9 and a 5 to start with.
After a trade the total value of your cards is the same as before.

The value of a complete set is 55.

If you have 4x10, 1x9, and 1x5 initially your initial total is 54, therefore
as your total is conserved in a trade you can never make a complete set.

RonL

3. Originally Posted by moshiman

b) How many times did I trade with the guy (with five 10's and a 5) to get my complete set?
On each trade you increase the number of cards you hold by 1.

RonL

4. Originally Posted by moshiman
c) Show how I might have completetd my set (write down the different steps)
10 10 10 10 10 5 trade 10 5 for 6 5 4
10 10 10 10 6 5 4 trade 10 5 for 7 5 3
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and so on

RonL

5. ## Thanks

Thank you all for your help!

6. Originally Posted by CaptainBlack
10 10 10 10 10 5 trade 10 5 for 6 5 4
10 10 10 10 6 5 4 trade 10 5 for 7 5 3
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and so on

RonL
but that is breaking the last rule! :

7. ## Urgent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Need some help with this.... Very confused...

I have a card with a value of 5 and 5 cards with a value of 10. I wish to trade my cardswith a guy for a complete set (1 to 10). However, he has some rules.
- you give him 2 cards and ask for 3 which add up to the same value as your 2 (eg. you give him 8 and 6 and ask for 7, a 4 and a 3 or two 5's and a 4.)

- you cannot ask for a card with a higher value than the best one you gave him (eg. he won't trade your two 9's for a 10,6 and 2)

- He never does a two for one swap (eg. if you give him a 9, he won't give you a 7 and a 2 - this is not gonna happen)

- You can't sacm him either, by trying to give him a 9 and a 6 for a 7, a 6 and a 2.

Somehow, I managed to get acomplete set thorugh trading alone.

a) Explain why I could not have done this if i had only four 10's, a 9 and a 5 to start with.

b) How many times did I trade with the guy (with five 10's and a 5) to get my complete set?

c) Show how I might have completetd my set (write down the different steps)

d) Another person who wishes to trade has two 10's, three 9's and an 8. Show how he could have completed his set.(write down the different steps)

Hope someone can help.....

8. Originally Posted by carlochick
but that is breaking the last rule! :
Which rule is trading a 10 and a 5 for a 7, 5, and a 3 breaking?

RonL

9. you can't scam him either, by trying to give him a 9 and a 6 for a 7,6 and a 2

10. Originally Posted by carlochick
you can't scam him either, by trying to give him a 9 and a 6 for a 7,6 and a 2
Well that does make it more complicated

RonL

11. For (a) simply note that the total value of your cards remains unchanged by each transaction. Since 1+2+...+10 = 55 you need to start off with a total of 55. If you had 4 10's, a 9 and a 5 that would only add up to 54.

For (b) note that each transaction increases the number of your cards by exactly one. To get from 6 cards to 10 you must make just 4 transactions.

12. can you tell me anything on c and d?

ASAP

13. Try this for (c)

10+10 -> 8+7+5 giving 10,10,10,8,7,5,5
10+5 -> 8+6+1 giving 10,10,8,8,7,6,5,1
10+5 -> 9+3+3 giving 10,9,8,8,7,6,3,3,1
8+3 -> 5+4+2 giving 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1

14. oh ya... didn't notice that till carlochick brought that up. captainblack,according to this two rules,

- He never does a two for one swap (eg. if you give him a 9, he won't give you a 7 and a 2 - this is not gonna happen)

- You can't sacm him either, by trying to give him a 9 and a 6 for a 7, a 6 and a 2.

i dun think this step would be acceptable :

10 10 10 10 10 5 trade 10 5 for 6 5 4

so is there any other answers for this question? i tried doing what captainblack said but i end up failing the last rule...

15. ## Thx everyone

thx everyone for all ur help. finally completed the question. thx again.

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