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    Solve the equation

    \frac 1{\left(1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^4}+\frac 1{\left(1-\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^4}+\frac 2{\left(1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^3}+\frac 2{\left(1-\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^3}=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by james_bond View Post
    \frac 1{\left(1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^4}+\frac 1{\left(1-\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^4}+\frac 2{\left(1+\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^3}+\frac 2{\left(1-\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}\right)^3}=0
    Put y=1+\sqrt{x}, then your equation becomes:

    \frac 1{\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^4}+\frac 1{\left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^4}+\frac 2{\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^3}+\frac 2{\left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^3}=0

    \frac {\left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^4} {(1-y)^4} +<br />
\frac {\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^4}{(1-y)^4}+<br />
\frac {2\left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^3}{(1-y)^3}+<br />
\frac {2\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^3}{(1-y)^3}=0

    and since y \ge 0:

    \left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^4 +<br />
\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^4+<br />
2\left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^3(1-y)+<br />
2\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^3(1-y)=0


    Now expand the powers and simplify and see what you have.

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    I posted a carefully crafted reply to this before it was moved.

    What happened to my post?

    I started with a=\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainBlack View Post
    \left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^4 +<br />
\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^4+<br />
2\left(1-\sqrt{y}\right)^3(1+y)+<br />
2\left(1+\sqrt{y}\right)^3(1+y)=0


    Now expand the powers and simplify and see what you have.
    I used Wolfram Mathematica and got: 14y^2+28y+6=0
    From this quadratic equation y=\frac 17 \left(-7 \pm 2\sqrt{7}\right)\rightarrow x=\pm \frac 87 \left(-4 + \sqrt{7}\right)
    But it is not a solution. I can't find any mistakes in your solution (and I did it quite similarly) but the only solution is \frac 85 (by Mathematica ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by james_bond View Post
    I used Wolfram Mathematica and got: 14y^2+28y+6=0
    From this quadratic equation y=\frac 17 \left(-7 \pm 2\sqrt{7}\right)\rightarrow x=\pm \frac 87 \left(-4 + \sqrt{7}\right)
    But it is not a solution. I can't find any mistakes in your solution (and I did it quite similarly) but the only solution is \frac 85 (by Mathematica ).
    Let me check this out for you...

    14y^2+28y+6=0

    y^2+2y+\frac{3}{7}=0

    y=\frac{-2 \pm \sqrt{4-4\frac{3}{7}}}{2}

    y=\frac{-2 \pm \sqrt{\frac{28-12}{7}}}{2}

    y=\frac{-2 \pm \sqrt{\frac{16}{7}}}{2}

    y=\frac{-2 \pm 4\sqrt{\frac{1}{7}}}{2}

    y=-1 \pm 2\sqrt{\frac{1}{7}}

    A solution of y=1.6 is impossible if
    14y^2+28y+6=0 is the quadratic equation. Notice that any positive number makes the equation greater than zero, and never less than or equal to zero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colby2152 View Post

    A solution of y=1.6 is impossible if
    14y^2+28y+6=0 is the quadratic equation. Notice that any positive number makes the equation greater than zero, and never less than or equal to zero.
    Yes but why would y be 1.6
    Both roots are negative. Ohh so \sqrt{x} would be negative - contradiction - no solutions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james_bond View Post
    Yes but why would y be 1.6
    Both roots are negative. Ohh so \sqrt{x} would be negative - contradiction - no solutions.
    The discriminant would not be negative. I used the quadratic formula in my solution. There are two solutions, and both are negative real numbers. (SIDE NOTE: I suppose this is a contradiction since to be negative implies real?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by james_bond View Post
    I used Wolfram Mathematica and got: 14y^2+28y+6=0
    From this quadratic equation y=\frac 17 \left(-7 \pm 2\sqrt{7}\right)\rightarrow x=\pm \frac 87 \left(-4 + \sqrt{7}\right)
    But it is not a solution. I can't find any mistakes in your solution (and I did it quite similarly) but the only solution is \frac 85 (by Mathematica ).
    Now I think you should get: 10y^2-20y-6=0

    (which if I've got this right gives a root of \approx 1.6, which agrees with
    the graphical sdolution)

    (I must admit that I used "a tutors" substitution rather than my own as
    it is easier to simplify - and then convert back as if I had made my substitution)

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_bond View Post
    I used Wolfram Mathematica and got: 14y^2+28y+6=0
    From this quadratic equation y=\frac 17 \left(-7 \pm 2\sqrt{7}\right)\rightarrow x=\pm \frac 87 \left(-4 + \sqrt{7}\right)
    But it is not a solution. I can't find any mistakes in your solution (and I did it quite similarly) but the only solution is \frac 85 (by Mathematica ).
    Sorry, but note the deliberate (or was it just a transcription) error, now
    corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a tutor View Post
    I posted a carefully crafted reply to this before it was moved.

    What happened to my post?

    I started with a=\sqrt{1+\sqrt{x}}
    Oppsss.. that will be me. Over enthusiatic moderating (we had a glut of
    multiple posts and other moderation issues yesterday)

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