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    help please - polynomial factors - how to solve (not the answer)

    Hi, I'm just looking for a suggestion on how to go about solving this. I'm not looking for the answer to the question, I have that in the back of the textbook. This is in the review of the chapter Algebra 1. I've covered all the sections and done all the exercises with only a few questions I couldn't solve on my own. I just really don't know where to go with this one. The question is:

    If x2 + bx -2 is a factor of x3 + (2b - 1)x2 - p, find the two possible values of p (where p is a real number).

    I'm not looking for the answer to the question. I'd really appreciate a hint on how to tackle the problem myself. I've covered linear simultaneous equations, polynomials, factors inc, the factor theorem, factorising cubics and rational functions so far. I feel like I should be able to do this but I'm really stuck with how to proceed with it. I tried long division but was unable to get past the first line. Do I need to simplify first? Is it possible to solve it this way?

    Thanks.
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    Re: help please - polynomial factors - how to solve (not the answer)

    Because x^2+ bx- 2 is of degree 2, and x^3+ (2b-1)x^2- p is of degree 3, if the first is a factor of the second, then it must be of the form
    (x^2+ bx- 2)(x- c)= x^3+ (2b-1)x^2- p. Multiplying out the left side, x^3+ (b- c)x^2- (2+ bc)x+ 2c= x^3+ (2b-1)x^2- p. Since that is to be true for all x, we must have b- c= 2b- 1, 2+ bc= 0, and 2c= -p. Solve the last equation for c= -p/2 and replace c with that in the previous two equations. You should be able to reduce those two equations to a single quadratic equation for p.
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    Re: help please - polynomial factors - how to solve (not the answer)

    Thanks very much for this. Using your advice I was able to solve for one value of b. Starting from (b - c) = (2b -1), I got b - c + 1 = 2b, and then b = 1 - c. From (2 + bc) = 0, I arrived at c = (-2/b). Combining these 2, I got b^2 = b + 2. I just had to look at this to realize that b = 2. But was unable to get the other value for b, which I later worked out was -1. The book gives the 2 possible answers for p, 2 and -4. I was able to solve for p being 2, but not for -4. When I went back I realized that the other possible value for b was -1, because if b^2 = b + 2, then b can equal -1 because -1^2 = -1 + 2. But I was unable to solve for this value, and technically I also did not solve for the first value of b (2) because I just looked at the equation b^2 = b + 2 and knew it was 2.

    My question is, how could I have correctly solved for both values? I tried several possible rearrangements of the various equations resulting from (b - c) = (2b -1), (2 + bc) = 0 but I was unable to arrive at a definitive value for either variable. Thanks, and sorry for my ineptitude, I'm out of school a long time.
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    Re: help please - polynomial factors - how to solve (not the answer)

    My question is, how could I have correctly solved for both values? I tried several possible rearrangements of the various equations resulting from (b - c) = (2b -1), (2 + bc) = 0 but I was unable to arrive at a definitive value for either variable.
    b-c = 2b-1 \implies b = 1-c

    sub (1-c) into the second equation ...

    2+(1-c)c = 0 \implies c^2-c-2 = 0 \implies (c-2)(c+1) = 0

    two possible values for c ... since 2c= -p , two possible values for p
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    Re: help please - polynomial factors - how to solve (not the answer)

    perfect. thank you skeeter and halls of ivy! it's starting to make sense to me now. i'm halfway through the revision of algebra 1 now and no further problems.
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