Math Help - system of equations

1. system of equations

I have to try and solve this system of equations but don't know where to start

4u + v = 2y + 2z = j + k
2u - 2v = 2y - 2z = j - 2k
2u + 2v = 4y - z = j - k

2. Re: system of equations

Originally Posted by moriman
I have to try and solve this system of equations but don't know where to start

4u + v = 2y + 2z = j + k
2u - 2v = 2y - 2z = j - 2k
2u + 2v = 4y - z = j - k
That is is 6 equations in 6 variables.

First separate the equations:
(1) 4u+ v= 2y+ 2z
(2) 2u- 2v= 2y- 2z
(3) 2u+ 2v= 4y- z

(4) 2y+ 2z= j+ k
(5) 2y- 2z= j- 2k
(6) 4y- z= j- k

Add 2 times (1) to (2) to get 10u= 6y+ 2z or (7) 5u= 3y+ z
Add (2) and (3) to get (8) 6u= 6y- 3z .

Multiply (7) by 6 to get 30u= 18y+ 6z and multiply (8) by 5 to get 30u= 30y- 3z.
That gives 18y+ 6z= 30y- 3z which reduces to 12y= 9z or 4y= 3z. Replacing y by (3/4) z, 30u= (45/2)z- 3z= (39/2)z so that u= (39/30)z= (13/10)z. Replace u and y by those in (1) and solve for v as multiple of z. You can now replace y in (4), (5), and (6) by (3/4)z to get three equations in z, j, and k. Solve those three equations for the three values, then use that value of z to find y, u, and v.

3. Re: system of equations

thanks.

Here what i've done

(1) 4u + v= 2y + 2z
(2) 2u - 2v= 2y - 2z
(3) 2u + 2v= 4y - z
(4) 2y + 2z= j + k
(5) 2y - 2z= j - 2k
(6) 4y - z= j - k

2*(1)+(2) 10u = 6y + 2z ____ 5u = 3y + z (7)

Add (2) and (3) to get (8) 6u= 6y- 3z .
Should that actually be

(2)+(3) 4u= 6y - 3z (8)

4*(7) 20u = 12y + 4z (9)
5*(8) 20u = 30y - 15z (10)

so 12y + 4z = 30y - 15z
19y = 18z
y = (18/19)z

substituting this in (10) 20u = (540/19)z - 15z
u = (51/76)z

Replace u and y by those in (1)and solve for v as multiple of z.
substituting u and y in (1) v = (23/19)z

You can now replace y in (4), (5), and (6)by (3/4)z to get three equations in z, j, and k.
y = (18/19)z

(4) 2y + 2z= j+ k _______ j + k = (74/19)z
(5) 2y - 2z= j- 2k ______ j - 2k = -(2/19)z
(6) 4y - z= j- k ________ j - k = (53/19)z

(4)+(6) j = (127/38)z
substituting j in (5) k = 131/76 z

Solve those three equations for the three values, then use that value of z to find y, u, and v.
What values of y, u and v am I solving for?
y = (18/19)z
u = (51/76)z
v = (23/19)z

I know the values for j, k, u, v and y that I have are only correct in (1) but don't know what I've done wrong.

My original problem with this system was that I thought I only had 3 equations no matter what I did with them. i.e.

(1) 4u + v= 2y + 2z
(4) 2y + 2z= j + k

isn't this just one equation, telling me that 4u + v = j + k ?

4. Re: system of equations

Where d'heck do these equations come from?!

(1) 4u+ v= 2y+ 2z
(2) 2u- 2v= 2y- 2z
(3) 2u+ 2v= 4y- z

An integer solution for these 3: u=15, v = 14, y=19, z=18

As far as j and k goes, these seem to have been thrown in there in a "hope for the best" manner:
in other words, there' s something wrong with them....but I can't make it out exactly...

Are you SURE there is a solution?

5. Re: system of equations

The last 3 equations are a dependant system. (As are the first 3)

Solutions for these three:

2y + 2z = j + k (1)
2y - 2z = j - 2k (2)
4y - z = j - k (3)

(1)-(2) 4z=3k (4)

2*(1)-(3) 5z=j+3k (5)

substituting z=(3/4)k in (5) gives j=(3/4)k so j=z

substituting these back into (1) y=(1/8)k

so one of the infinite solutions would be y=1 z=6 j=6 k=8

6. Re: system of equations

I think I've finally figured that it can't be figured

4u + v = 2y + 2z = j + k
2u - 2v = 2y - 2z = j - 2k
2u + 2v = 4y - z = j - k

Set 1

4u + v = 2y + 2z
2u - 2v = 2y - 2z
2u + 2v = 4y - z

valid when...

..... v = (14/15)u
..... y = (19/15)u
..... z = (6/5)u

Set 2

2y + 2z = j + k
2y - 2z = j - 2k
4y - z = j - k

valid when...

..... y = (1/8)k
..... z = (3/4)k
..... j = (3/4)k

Set 3

4u + v = j + k
2u - 2v = j - 2k
2u + 2v = j - k

valid when...

..... u = (9/8)k
..... v = (1/4)k
..... j = (15/4)k

I think this means the 3 sets cannot be correct simultaneously since we have

..... j = (3/4)k
..... j = (15/4)k

and also

..... v = (14/15)u where 14*(9/8)k <> 15*(1/4)k

Am I correct that there is no solution (apart from the obvious zero solutions)?

Thanks

7. Re: system of equations

Originally Posted by moriman
I think I've finally figured that it can't be figured
...............
Am I correct that there is no solution (apart from the obvious zero solutions)?
Agree.