How do I know which one to use with an equation..???

Thanks...

Aimee

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- Feb 4th 2006, 11:46 AMresource roomReverse Order of Operations vs. Order of Operations???
How do I know which one to use with an equation..???

Thanks...

Aimee - Feb 4th 2006, 02:38 PMThePerfectHackerQuote:

Originally Posted by**resource room**

- Feb 4th 2006, 07:26 PMresource roomExamples...
**X**+**4**x**2**=**18**and**X**x**2**-**1**=**5**:confused: - Feb 5th 2006, 05:04 AMjacs
x + 4 x 2 = 18

x + 8 = 18 (if you have something you can simplify on one side, then you shoudl do that first)

to eliminate the + 8, you do the opposite (reverse) to it: opposite to plus is minus so you subtract 8 from both sides leaving you with

x = 10

X x 2 -1 = 5 always simplify first wherever possible

2x - 1 = 5 add one to both sides

2x = 6 divide both sides by 2

x = 3

normally you do mulitply before subtract

but since we are trying to solve an equation, then everythign is back to front, so you deal with the subtract before the multiply - Feb 5th 2006, 05:38 AMresource roomThere is a difference between "simplifying" and "Order of Operations"..???
So, you are saying that when I simplify, I am not ready to follow the order of operations yet..??? Could you give me an example then of a problem where you use the order of operations and one that you don't... I have Googled "order of operations" and just found out that there is a "reverse order of operations"...

I feel that I need to confess something at this point... I am actually a newly certified resource room teacher... I have a degree in English and am working on a master's in history... I have not had algebra since 1965 (Yes, I will be retiring from teaching after next year.. :) ), but in the meantime I find myself teaching resource math to high school kids...

I have been using an old pre-algebra book that looked like something "we" could do, but when the book started adding and subtracting instead of multiplying and dividing (on Friday) they threw me off completely... One of the regular algebra teachers had me drill into the kids G-E-M-A to help them remember the order... Now, how do I explain that you only follow that order at certain times...

I found my algebra teacher advisor and another one to boot, but I didn't understand their explanation... It was Friday and I did not want to hold them up by going into a more detailed explanation for me... I just want to be able to explain it to MY students....like, okay we were following the order of operations but now we are not BECAUSE... See my dilemma..??? I don't know the "why" yet...

Thanks for all your help... And if you can help me to understand this and you see me again on this board, just remember that I am trying to understand something myself before I try to "teach" it... Also, not having an answer key for the book I am using can be a real bummer... :o

Aimee

Quote:

Originally Posted by**jacs**

- Feb 6th 2006, 03:13 AMjacs
when dealing with simple algebra, (not an equation) you need to follow the oder of operations to simplify

so something like 2 x a + 3 x b = 2a + 3b doing the mulitply then the addition

in an equation however we are looking to 'undo' what has been done so we need to do everything back to front.

3a + 7 = 16

the a has been mulitplied by 3 and then added by 7

so we work it backwards. opposite to add 7 is subtract 7

3a = 9

then the opposite to times 3 is divide 3

a = 3

so if we are trying to solve for an unknown, that is the time when reverse order is necessary

i hope that helps a little