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    To find B, after you have substituted the values for A and C, you will have one equation in one unknown ( B).

    Expand everything and equate like powers of x.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punch View Post
    Look you have already found a to be 2 so the a part will make a value. which will help in deducing what c is... and after finding what c is, we substitute x=1 to find b.
    Yes that is correct. Sorry for getting a bit snappy - this is not my preferred method of solution and I haven't practiced it in a while.

    Equating like powers of x is a more systematic method.
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    What I have found is, since in this case B is made to be a product of X, we can substitute x=1 and sub values of what a and c is found to be. then we can find b without using the comparing method.

    And in my opinion substituting doesn't fail! else my teacher shouldn't teach such methods which might not work sometimes...
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    Okay the root to my question is, what should I substitute after running out of values to substitute x as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punch View Post
    Okay the root to my question is, what should I substitute after running out of values to substitute x as.
    Why would you run out of values to substitute x as?

    Your purpose is to find the unknowns - in this case A, B, C.

    Once you have found them all, you don't need any more values of x...
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    You need to stop worrying about "rules", such as putting in specific numbers, and more about thinking about a problem. That was why Prove It kept asking you to give a specific example- you don't follow any fixed "algorithm", you do whatever is necessary for a specific problem.

    If you have something like \frac{x- 3}{(x-1)^3(x^2+ 4)}, you can write that as \frac{x- 3}{(x-1)^3(x^2+ 4)}= \frac{A}{x- 1}+ \frac{B}{(x-1)^2}+ \frac{C}{(x-1)^3}+ \frac{Dx+ E}{x^2+4}.

    You should start by multiplying both sides by the denominator so you get x- 3= A(x-1)^2(x^2+4)+ B(x-1)(x^2+4)+ C(x^2+4)+ (Dx+ E)(x-1)^3

    Now there are two fundamentally different methods you could use to find A, B, C, D, and E. They both use the basic idea that to solve for 5 unknown values, we need 5 equations.

    1) Multiply out the right sides and set "coeficients of like powers" equal.
    x- 3= Ax^4- 2Ax^3+ 5Ax^2- 8Ax+ A+ Bx^3- Bx^2+ 4Bx- 4B+ Cx^2+ 4C+ Dx^4- 4Dx^3+ 3Dx^2- Dx+ Ex^3- 3Ex^2+ 3Ex- E

    x- 3= (A+ D)x^4 +(-2A+ B+ E)x^3+ (5A- B+ C+ 3D- 3E)x^2+  (-8A+4B- D+ 3E)x+ (A- 4B+ 4C- D- E)
    So we must have
    A+ C= 0 since there is no " x^4" on the left
    -2A+ B+ E= 0 since there is no "[tex]x^3[tex]" on the left
    5A- B+ C+ 3D- 3E= 0 since there is no " x^2" on the left
    -8A+ 4B+ D+ 3E= 1 since there is "x" on the left
    A- 4B+ 4C- D- E= -3 since there is "-3" on the left

    Solve those 5 equations for A, B, C, D, and E.

    2) Get 5 equations by setting x equal to 5 different values in x- 3= A(x-1)^2(x^2+4)+ B(x-1)(x^2+4)+ C(x^2+4)+ (Dx+ E)(x-1)^3. IF a certain value sets a factor equal to 0 that will give a simpler equation but that is NOT necessary.

    Since x= 1 makes (x-1)= 0, we certainly should try x= 1
    1- 3= -2= A(0)+ B(0)+ C(1+ 4)+ (Dx+E)(0)= 5C
    we can solve that immediately for C= -2/5.

    There is no other value of x that makes a factor 0 so just use whatever 4 numbers you want- preferably simple numbers like, say, 0, -1, -2, 2:
    With x= 0,
    0- 3= -3= 4A- 4B+ 4C- E
    With x= -1
    -1-3= -4= 20A-10B+ 5C- 8D+ 8E
    With x= 2
    2-3= -1= 8A+ 8B+ 8C+ 2D+ E
    With x= -2
    -2-3= -5= 72A- 24B+ 8C- 16D- 8E

    Again, five equations to solve for A, B, C, D, and E.
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    Okay, for example, in this case(the question I posted earlier), provided me an x value to substitute x as, and that is (-3/4) but that would enable me to only find A. So I need to sub 0 and 1 to find unknowns C and B respectively.

    So, my question is, what should I substitute as x after I have no more values to substitute x as? 0 and 1 in any case? up to 2, 3, 4 or 5 if i still cant find the unknown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punch View Post
    Okay, for example, in this case(the question I posted earlier), provided me an x value to substitute x as, and that is (-3/4) but that would enable me to only find A. So I need to sub 0 and 1 to find unknowns C and B respectively.

    So, my question is, what should I substitute as x after I have no more values to substitute x as? 0 and 1 in any case? up to 2, 3, 4 or 5 if i still cant find the unknown?
    Substitute whatever values of x give you equations that you can use to solve for the unknowns.

    You need to go back and review examples of partial fraction decomposition, this thread has given you as much help as it can and things are just starting to go around in circles.

    Thread closed.
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