Results 1 to 2 of 2

Math Help - Confused with Simple Vector Spaces

  1. #1
    Newbie
    Joined
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    1

    Confused with Simple Vector Spaces

    Hi,

    I have the vectors:

    u = [1 2 1] w = [-1 0 1] q = [2 0 -2] r = [0 2 2]

    and I have the vector space:

    S = { au + bw | a, b R }

    I know how to answer questions which ask if a vector belongs to S - e.g. (q = -2w)

    But I do not know how to answer these questions:

    (b) Do w and r span the same subspace S?
    (c) Do w and q span S?
    (d) Do u, w and q span S?

    I have no idea how to figure the above out being as my my material is vague and I have tried to search the internet for answers but don't understand any of it.
    Follow Math Help Forum on Facebook and Google+

  2. #2
    Member
    Joined
    Jul 2008
    Posts
    81
    The easiest way to answer this question is show that a linear combination of the vectors yields the generating vectors of S, i.e. u and w. In that case, say u=ax+by and w=cx+dy for some scalars a,b,c,d and vectors x,y. Then mu+nw=max+mby+ncx+ndy=(ma+nc)x + (mb+nd)y, or every vector in the span of u and w lies in the span of x and y. Further, if we cannot find a linear combination for the generators, then we have shown the spans don't coincide.

    then for (b), the question is asking if span{w,r} = span{u,w}. Since w is a generator of both sets, it remains to show that u is a linear combination of r and w, and r is a linear combination of u and w. It is easy to see that r=u+w,
    so u=r-w thus we have acquired both of the desired linear combinations and by the previous remarks the spans form the same subspace.

    For (c), can w and q generate u? Note that the second coordinate is 0 for w,q, and any linear combination of these two vectors, but not for u.

    Finally for (d), this question amounts to figuring out if there are any vectors outside of S that can be expressed as a linear combination of u,w, and q. But since q is just a multiple of w, clearly we can't get any new vectors! Algebraically, suppose  x=au+bw+cq. Since q=-2w, x=au+bw-2cw=au+(b-2c)w, so x is in S.
    Follow Math Help Forum on Facebook and Google+

Similar Math Help Forum Discussions

  1. Is the intersection of two vector spaces a vector space?
    Posted in the Advanced Algebra Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: October 10th 2011, 11:55 AM
  2. Vector problem. I am confused
    Posted in the Math Topics Forum
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: August 30th 2010, 07:56 AM
  3. Confused, has to be something simple.
    Posted in the Trigonometry Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: October 18th 2009, 12:52 PM
  4. Replies: 4
    Last Post: September 14th 2009, 11:37 PM
  5. Replies: 3
    Last Post: June 1st 2008, 01:51 PM

Search Tags


/mathhelpforum @mathhelpforum