# galois Theory

• Feb 18th 2009, 09:13 AM
peteryellow
galois Theory
Determine, if there are rational numbers c,d so that the polynomails x^4 -4x-1 and x^4+ax^2+b have splitting field over Q(rational numbers), If yes find a and b.
• Feb 18th 2009, 09:23 AM
peteryellow
it should be same splitting field

soory I forgor to write
• Feb 18th 2009, 06:28 PM
ThePerfectHacker
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Originally Posted by peteryellow
Determine, if there are rational numbers c,d so that the polynomails x^4 -4x-1 and x^4+ax^2+b have splitting field over Q(rational numbers), If yes find a and b.

I think it is impossible. This is just an idea that I have that might work. We make a trivial observation, if they have the same splitting field then the polynomials definitely have the same Galois group. The polynomial $x^4 - 4x - 1$ happens to have Galous group equal to $S_4$ (this can be shown using what your favorite method is). Thus, we require splitting field for $x^4 + ax^2 + b$ to be a degree $24$ extension. Now, the equation $x^4 + ax^2 + b=0$ solves into $x = \pm \sqrt{ \frac{-a+r}{2}}, \pm \sqrt{ \frac{-a-r}{2}}$ where $r = \sqrt{a^2 - 4b}$. Therefore, the splitting field is $K=\mathbb{Q} \left( \sqrt{ \frac{-a+r}{2}}, \sqrt{\frac{-a+r}{2}} \right)$. We require that $[K:\mathbb{Q}]=24$. However, $[K:\mathbb{Q}] \leq \left[\mathbb{Q}\left( \sqrt{\frac{-a+r}{2}} \right):\mathbb{Q} \right]\left[ \mathbb{Q}\left( \sqrt{\frac{-a-r}{2}} \right) : \mathbb{Q} \right]$. But $\left[\mathbb{Q}\left( \sqrt{\frac{-a+r}{2}} \right):\mathbb{Q} \right] \leq 4$ because $\sqrt{\frac{-a+r}{2}}$ solves $r^2 = (2x^2 + a)^2$. Likewise, $\left[\mathbb{Q}\left( \sqrt{\frac{-a+r}{2}} \right):\mathbb{Q} \right] \leq 4$. Therefore, $[K:\mathbb{Q}] \leq 16 < 24$ and so it seems it is impossible.
• Feb 19th 2009, 10:20 AM
ThePerfectHacker
I think it is a good exercise to actually find the conditions on $a,b$ that determine what Galois group $x^4 + ax^2 + b$ actually is.
This should not be too bad since it appears as an exercise problem in my book.
• Feb 22nd 2009, 05:23 AM
peteryellow
which book are you using?
• Feb 22nd 2009, 07:48 AM
ThePerfectHacker
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Originally Posted by peteryellow
which book are you using?

This one.