# Math Help - Row operations on a matrix

1. ## Row operations on a matrix

A = [1 2 5 3 8]
[3 6 11 6 20]
[1 3 6 0 16]
[6 12 23 12 40]
[5 11 22 9 40]

Hi there i'm really struggling to find the determinant of this matrix using row operations

2. Hello
Originally Posted by michael11
A = [1 2 5 3 8]
[3 6 11 6 20]
[1 3 6 0 16]
[6 12 23 12 40]
[5 11 22 9 40]

Hi there i'm really struggling to find the determinant of this matrix using row operations
Notice that the fourth row is almost the second one multiplied by two : Let's do $\mathrm{row}4=\mathrm{row}4-2\times \mathrm{row} 2$ (it'll make appear "a lot" of 0) :

$D=\left|
\begin{tabular}{ccccc}
1&2&5&3&8\\
3&6&11&6&20\\
1&3&6&0&16\\
0&0&1&0&0\\
5&11&22&9&40\\
\end{tabular}
\right|=-1\times\left|
\begin{tabular}{ccccc}
1&2&3&8\\
3&6&6&20\\
1&3&0&16\\
5&11&9&40\\
\end{tabular}
\right|$

Now let's do $\mathrm{row}4=\mathrm{row}4-\mathrm{row}3-\mathrm{row}2-\mathrm{row}1$ (same idea as before, it makes appear several 0) :

$
D=-\left|
\begin{tabular}{cccc}
1&2&3&8\\
3&6&6&20\\
1&3&0&16\\
0&0&0&-4\\
\end{tabular}
\right|=4\times\left|
\begin{tabular}{ccc}
1&2&3\\
3&6&6\\
1&3&0\\
\end{tabular}
\right|$

Can you go on ?

3. hi,

i tried to finish it and i got detA = -3408

don't think thats right some how

4. Wooo, that's a big number.

How did you expand $D=4\times\left|
\begin{tabular}{ccc}
1&2&3\\
3&6&6\\
1&3&0\\
\end{tabular}
\right|$
?

5. I multiplied the 4 through, then found the determinant using the lattice method?

but something tells me that is wrong

6. I assume that the lattice method is Sarrus' rule ?

Repeat the first two columns :

$
\begin{tabular}{|ccc|cc}
{\color{red} 1}&{\color{green}2}&{\color{blue}3}&1&2\\
3&{\color{red}6}&{\color{green}6}&{\color{blue}3}& 6\\
1&3&{\color{red}0}&{\color{green}1}&{\color{blue}3 }\\
\end{tabular}
$

Now multiply the red numbers together, multiply the green numbers together, multiply the blue numbers together and add these three products. Let's call the result $D_1$.

$
\begin{tabular}{|ccc|cc}
1&2&{\color{magenta}3}&{\color{yellow}1}&{\color{c yan}2}\\
3&{\color{magenta}6}&{\color{yellow}6}&{\color{cya n}3}&6\\
{\color{magenta}1}&{\color{yellow}3}&{\color{cyan} 0}&1&3\\
\end{tabular}
$

Same thing : multiply together the numbers of the same color (except black ) and add the three products. Again, let's call the result $D_2$.

As $D=4\times\left|
\begin{tabular}{ccc}
1&2&3\\
3&6&6\\
1&3&0\\
\end{tabular}
\right|$
, the determinant is given by $D=4(D_1-D_2)$.

Hope that helps.

7. Hello, michael11!

I assumed that they wanted Row Operations all the way . . .

flyingsquirrel had: . $\left|\begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 2 & 3 \\ 3 & 6 & 6 \\ 1 & 3 & 0 \end{array}\right| \times 4$

$\begin{array}{c}\\ R_2 - 3R_1 \\ R_3-R_1\end{array}\left|\begin{array}{ccc}1 & 2 & 3 \\ 0 & 0 & \text{-}3 \\ 0 & 1 & \text{-}3 \end{array}\right| \times 4 \quad = \quad \left|\begin{array}{cc}1 & 2 \\ 0 & 1 \end{array} \right| \times 12$

$\begin{array}{c}R_1-2R_2 \\ \\ \end{array}\left|\begin{array}{cc} 1 & 0 \\ 0 & 1 \end{array}\right| \times 12 \quad=\quad\boxed{ 12}$

Terrific job with the colors, flyingsquirrel!
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