# Math Help - vector lies in the plane

1. ## vector lies in the plane

what does it mean to say a vector lies in a plane in R^3. Does it mean it's inital point lies on the plane?

2. ## Re: vector lies in the plane

usually it means that the vector can be written as a linear combination of two other vectors you know beforehand.

one vector determines a line, two vectors determine a plane.

there are two different ways of thinking of a vector: one is simply as a point.

another way, is as an "arrow" going from one point in space, to another. in this view, all "arrows" with the same length and direction are considered "equal".

the bridge between these two views is to identify a point in space with the arrow that goes from the origin, to that point.

3. ## Re: vector lies in the plane

I was thinking how to visualize it.

4. ## Re: vector lies in the plane

Originally Posted by Duke
what does it mean to say a vector lies in a plane in R^3. Does it mean it's inital point lies on the plane?
The wording of this question is problematic.
In one sense all vectors have the same initial point: $(0,0,0).$
Vectors are really just equivalence classes, defined by length and direction. Thus as reply #2 suggests that any two vectors can be though of as being in some plane, though that may not be a unique plane.

It is true that any three non-colinear points determine a unique plane.

5. ## Re: vector lies in the plane

the plane is unique if you also say it must pass through (0,0,0) (which goes along with thinking of all vectors having intial point (0,0,0)).

if one regards each vector as "unique", then one has the counter-intuitive result that vectors do not form a vector space (vector addition not being defined

unless the tail of one is at the head of another). put more technically, an affine plane isn't quite the same thing as a linear plane.

in ordinary low-dimensions that most people are familiar with: the line ax+b is not a linear function.

6. ## Re: vector lies in the plane

Originally Posted by Deveno
the plane is unique if you also say it must pass through (0,0,0) (which goes along with thinking of all vectors having intial point (0,0,0)).
What if the vectors are colinear?
If the plane unique?

7. ## Re: vector lies in the plane

valid point. the vectors must be linearly independent, or we have a "degenerate plane" (a line).