# Simple question

• Oct 3rd 2011, 03:22 PM
dwsmith
Simple question
Generators of $\mathbb{Z}$ are $<1> \ \text{and} \ <-1>$ correct?
• Oct 3rd 2011, 03:38 PM
alexmahone
Re: Simple question
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Originally Posted by dwsmith
Generators of $\mathbb{Z}$ are $<1> \ \text{and} \ <-1>$ correct?

No! Generators of $\mathbb{Z}$ are $1$ and $-1$.
• Oct 3rd 2011, 03:45 PM
dwsmith
Re: Simple question
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Originally Posted by alexmahone
No! Generators of $\mathbb{Z}$ are $1$ and $-1$.

No? I just listed 1 and -1 too.
• Oct 3rd 2011, 03:47 PM
alexmahone
Re: Simple question
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Originally Posted by dwsmith
No? I just listed 1 and -1 too.

You listed $<1> \ \text{and} \ <-1>$.
• Oct 3rd 2011, 03:51 PM
dwsmith
Re: Simple question
Quote:

Originally Posted by alexmahone
You listed $<1> \ \text{and} \ <-1>$.

Generating set of a group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• Oct 3rd 2011, 03:57 PM
alexmahone
Re: Simple question
$$ denotes the subgroup generated by $n$.

So, $<1>=<-1>=\mathbb{Z}$

It doesn't make sense to say that the generators of $\mathbb{Z}$ are $\mathbb{Z}$ and $\mathbb{Z}$, which is what you essentially did.
• Oct 3rd 2011, 04:00 PM
dwsmith
Re: Simple question
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Originally Posted by alexmahone
$<1>$ is the subgroup generated by $1$, which is $Z^{+}$. Similarly, $<-1>$ is the subgroup generated by $-1$, which is $Z^{-}$.

It doesn't make sense to say that the generators of $\mathbb{Z}$ are $Z^{+}$ and $Z^{-}$, which is what you essentially did.

"The integers under addition are an example of an infinite group which is finitely generated by both <1> and <−1>"

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• Oct 3rd 2011, 04:07 PM
alexmahone
Re: Simple question
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Originally Posted by dwsmith
"The integers under addition are an example of an infinite group which is finitely generated by both <1> and <−1>"

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Not any more. (I've fixed that error now.)

In general, Wikipedia is not a good place to learn maths from.
• Oct 3rd 2011, 04:27 PM
alexmahone
Re: Simple question
• Oct 3rd 2011, 04:33 PM
dwsmith
Re: Simple question
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Originally Posted by alexmahone

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/z/zhongk/chap4hw.pdf

number 23
• Oct 3rd 2011, 04:40 PM
alexmahone
Re: Simple question
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Originally Posted by dwsmith

Number 23 says that $<-1>=<1>=\mathbb{Z}$, which is what I said in post #6.