Whoops. Not sure integration by parts will get you the integral. Let me think on that one a bit more.

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- Aug 18th 2010, 10:49 AMAckbeet
Whoops. Not sure integration by parts will get you the integral. Let me think on that one a bit more.

- Aug 18th 2010, 10:51 AMSpiffyEh
so the normalized H_0 would be sqrt(sqrt(pi))?

Oh ok, this problem is a lot more work than I was expecting. - Aug 18th 2010, 11:07 AMAckbeet
Correct on the normalization!

For the normalization, I would do the same dirty trick as for : square the integral. You're gonna get the following:

Let

Then

Switching to polar, we get

The angle integral succumbs to standard Calc II techniques, perhaps using double-angle formulas. For the integral on the right, substitute and THEN integrate by parts twice.

Yeah, this is a lot of work! Welcome to special functions. (Nerd) - Aug 18th 2010, 11:19 AMSpiffyEh
Wow, I really hope nothing like this is on the exam. I tried it with wolframapha just to see what would happen and got 2sqrt(pi) from that integral. so sqrt(2sqrt(pi)) would be the normalized H_1? Sorry for not going through the steps, i'm trying to understand as much as I can before the exam in a couple hours

- Aug 18th 2010, 11:47 AMAckbeet
WolframAlpha certainly does seem to compute things correctly. That is the correct norm, I believe. So that does it for 6.3, right?

I understand not going through the steps, if you're going for the big picture. You know better than me whether you need the big picture or the details.

So how about 6.4? - Aug 18th 2010, 11:50 AMSpiffyEh
Hopefully the big picture is all I need. We only had 3 1 hour long class periods to go over 2 chapters so he really can't make things way too difficult on the exam. Well, at least I hope he thinks that way.

6.4 - I'm a little lost about doing this method with functions rather than vectors. I understand it with vectors. - Aug 18th 2010, 12:06 PMAckbeet
The procedure is precisely the same as for vectors, except that instead of a dot product, you do integrals, and instead of plugging vectors into the dot product, you're plugging functions into the integrals. It's a fair amount of integration, as you can see. Does that help?

- Aug 18th 2010, 12:18 PMSpiffyEh
Yes, i'll go through and try to do it and show you what I get if you don't mind checking it.

- Aug 18th 2010, 12:22 PMAckbeet
I don't mind checking in the least. Fire away!

- Aug 19th 2010, 04:31 PMAckbeet
How did your test go?

- Aug 19th 2010, 09:25 PMSpiffyEh
Sorry for not getting back sooner, I tried to get on but it would never load, maybe it was my connection. The test was pretty bad, I messed up somewhere with the arithmetic somewhere but it was too late to turn back which made it even harder. But besides that I got the actual concepts. As long as I got above a 78% I'll keep my A

- Aug 20th 2010, 02:26 AMAckbeet
Yeah, the MHF was down because of problems with the LaTeX Preview feature. It was taking forever to preview LaTeX code output. Now that's fixed (yay!).

Well, here's hoping you did well on your test. If you got the concepts, and it wasn't a multiple choice (which, in my very strong opinion, are an abomination), then surely partial credit would help you out, assuming your teacher does that.

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Have a good one! - Aug 20th 2010, 10:17 AMSpiffyEh
Yeah, it should be ok, luckly it wasn't multiple choice. The thread was very helpful. Thank you

- Aug 20th 2010, 10:18 AMAckbeet
You're welcome. Have a good one!